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PlayingWithScience
Palmer wrote:When one considers the Alliance policy of only going after garden planets, one has to wonder why a place like Ur is colonized. Someone must really hate you people.
Garden planet means; able to be colonized without space suits, not; comfortable without any protective gear whatsoever. Read a book.
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Palmer Why are you reading over here?
I have no idea what that statement is supposed to mean. Something about how planets that aren't of the garden variety are not comfortable without any protective gear whatsoever? What an amazing fact for me to have just learned.

Regardless, I can quite easily see all you seem to enjoy is insulting people.

Have fun with your planet.

Try not to freeze to much.

On the Move.
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So, PlayingWithScience, had a word with your administrator?

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PlayingWithScience
Palmer wrote:I have no idea what that statement is supposed to mean. Something about how planets that aren't of the garden variety are not comfortable without any protective gear whatsoever? What an amazing fact for me to have just learned.

Regardless, I can quite easily see all you seem to enjoy is insulting people.

Have fun with your planet.

Try not to freeze to much.
Okay here, I will use very small words. Garden planet not mean fun. Garden planet mean we can live here without space suits. Garden planet can suck. We not need space suits to live on Ur. So Ur garden planet. How's that? Better?

By the way people tend to be grouchy when they're freezing their tits off. So excuse me. I will endeavor henceforth to act like a female human version of Uncle Garm Garm. Will that make you happy?

EDIT: Not as of yet. I'll get back to you when they say more to us than, "Where's our iridium?"
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Ana'Therion vas Nedas
Lady, I admire the hell out of your ability to speech-to-text all that without getting exhausted. Usually I make it about a paragraph before my throat gets sore.

I'd offer to fight you so you could teach me your technique like in all the old martial arts vids, but I suspect that'd be immensely entertaining for everyone who wasn't us.
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PlayingWithScience
Ana'Therion vas Nedas wrote:Lady, I admire the hell out of your ability to speech-to-text all that without getting exhausted. Usually I make it about a paragraph before my throat gets sore.

I'd offer to fight you so you could teach me your technique like in all the old martial arts vids, but I suspect that'd be immensely entertaining for everyone who wasn't us.
Well grasshopper all you need do is administrate a small colony for eight months using naught but your voice. Whilst standing on your head and juggling flaming chainsaws. Then you will be on your way to greatness. This has been lessons in the verbal arts with Science Sensei.
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Sundowner77 Caught between heaven and hell
On the long road home tonight
...I'm willing to bet the lady's done that. I mean, if the rumours I heard were true.

But I've a rendezvous with Death
At midnight in some flaming town,
When Spring trips north again this year,
And I to my pledged word am true,
I shall not fail that rendezvous.
(Alan Seeger)
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Gilgamesh
HereToHelp wrote:So, PlayingWithScience, had a word with your administrator?

"While we appreciate your concerns regarding taxation and the requisition of raw materials current policy is a necessary extension of the living situation on Earth. I assure you, once Earth is rebuilt, you will be allowed to keep the production of the Iridium Mines."

So, yeah, we've still got absolutely nothing to export.
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'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16
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Posted on 2187-12-13 21:39:09

Gilgamesh wrote:'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16

As writer of that article I feel compelled to point out that you should have understood from that with 'all resources' I did not literally mean all resources, just the majority of them where it would be sensible and logical to do so, because if it was literally all resources it would include all the food and the colonies would have starved by now.
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Posted on 2187-12-13 21:51:40

Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16

As writer of that article I feel compelled to point out that you should have understood from that with 'all resources' I did not literally mean all resources, just the majority of them where it would be sensible and logical to do so, because if it was literally all resources it would include all the food and the colonies would have starved by now.

I kind of figured it'd meant 'all valuable resources', Iridium exports and the like. Is this an incorrect assumption? I'm operating under the assumption that enough is being left for food and basic survival, but they're taking stuff useful for reconstruction.
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Posted on 2187-12-13 22:07:42

Gilgamesh wrote:
Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16

As writer of that article I feel compelled to point out that you should have understood from that with 'all resources' I did not literally mean all resources, just the majority of them where it would be sensible and logical to do so, because if it was literally all resources it would include all the food and the colonies would have starved by now.

I kind of figured it'd meant 'all valuable resources', Iridium exports and the like. Is this an incorrect assumption? I'm operating under the assumption that enough is being left for food and basic survival, but they're taking stuff useful for reconstruction.
That is about correct, they're taking everything a colony can spare, so an average colony has near zero (economic) growth, but most of them should not be in outright decline, remember that while the Alliance wants to speed along Earth's reconstruction they also want those colonies to survive, and be viable otherwise their borders would collapse.
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Posted on 2187-12-13 22:47:44

Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:
Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16

As writer of that article I feel compelled to point out that you should have understood from that with 'all resources' I did not literally mean all resources, just the majority of them where it would be sensible and logical to do so, because if it was literally all resources it would include all the food and the colonies would have starved by now.

I kind of figured it'd meant 'all valuable resources', Iridium exports and the like. Is this an incorrect assumption? I'm operating under the assumption that enough is being left for food and basic survival, but they're taking stuff useful for reconstruction.
That is about correct, they're taking everything a colony can spare, so an average colony has near zero (economic) growth, but most of them should not be in outright decline, remember that while the Alliance wants to speed along Earth's reconstruction they also want those colonies to survive, and be viable otherwise their borders would collapse.

They wouldn't have enough to actually repair damage done during the Reaper War, no?
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Posted on 2187-12-13 22:49:53

Gilgamesh wrote:
Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:
Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16

As writer of that article I feel compelled to point out that you should have understood from that with 'all resources' I did not literally mean all resources, just the majority of them where it would be sensible and logical to do so, because if it was literally all resources it would include all the food and the colonies would have starved by now.

I kind of figured it'd meant 'all valuable resources', Iridium exports and the like. Is this an incorrect assumption? I'm operating under the assumption that enough is being left for food and basic survival, but they're taking stuff useful for reconstruction.
That is about correct, they're taking everything a colony can spare, so an average colony has near zero (economic) growth, but most of them should not be in outright decline, remember that while the Alliance wants to speed along Earth's reconstruction they also want those colonies to survive, and be viable otherwise their borders would collapse.

They wouldn't have enough to actually repair damage done during the Reaper War, no?

Not really my argument, but if the damage was severe enough that it made the planet uninhabitable (which a average temperatures ~20 below freezing would count as) then I'd imagine the Alliance would do enough to ensure the people giving them resources were able to continue providing said resources.
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Posted on 2187-12-13 22:54:58

RememberTheBlitz wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:
Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:
Diplomatic Immunity wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:'all resources are being redistributed to Earth' is straight from the second human retrospective. http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=140&o=0#16

As writer of that article I feel compelled to point out that you should have understood from that with 'all resources' I did not literally mean all resources, just the majority of them where it would be sensible and logical to do so, because if it was literally all resources it would include all the food and the colonies would have starved by now.

I kind of figured it'd meant 'all valuable resources', Iridium exports and the like. Is this an incorrect assumption? I'm operating under the assumption that enough is being left for food and basic survival, but they're taking stuff useful for reconstruction.
That is about correct, they're taking everything a colony can spare, so an average colony has near zero (economic) growth, but most of them should not be in outright decline, remember that while the Alliance wants to speed along Earth's reconstruction they also want those colonies to survive, and be viable otherwise their borders would collapse.

They wouldn't have enough to actually repair damage done during the Reaper War, no?

Not really my argument, but if the damage was severe enough that it made the planet uninhabitable (which a average temperatures ~20 below freezing would count as) then I'd imagine the Alliance would do enough to ensure the people giving them resources were able to continue providing said resources.

Right, and as is, Ur is surviving, barely, and can still supply resources via robominers, but it sucks ass and people are freezing to death. The average temperatures probably going to get revised upwards though, something we've been discussing in the IRC (I think you were helping give suggestions).
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Posted on 2187-12-13 23:00:49

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Arbitrary
Oh my goddess this is more beautiful than the old Turian seppy arguments.

You humans get -pissed-

That being said, I don't see why people have such a problem with the Systems Alliance. You lot that weren't on Earth before were perfectly happy to have the SA do everything for you, but now that everything isn't perfectly ok OH ITS ALL THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT, NOT LIKE WE ALL ALMOST DIED AND EVERYTHING IS WRECKED TO SHIT OR ANYTHING.
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PlayingWithScience
Arbitrary wrote:Oh my goddess this is more beautiful than the old Turian seppy arguments.

You humans get -pissed-

That being said, I don't see why people have such a problem with the Systems Alliance. You lot that weren't on Earth before were perfectly happy to have the SA do everything for you, but now that everything isn't perfectly ok OH ITS ALL THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT, NOT LIKE WE ALL ALMOST DIED AND EVERYTHING IS WRECKED TO SHIT OR ANYTHING.
Did you bother to read the thread? Like at all? Or did you just skim through so could go; WHINY COLONISTS ARE WHINY? If our sole export is being requisitioned by the government. And the government is not paying us for it. And we need money to rebuild our colony... Then YES the fact that our colony is still wrecked is the government's fault. The people who are taking the colony's sole source of income without paying for it. You retard.
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Nat
PlayingWithScience wrote:
Arbitrary wrote:Oh my goddess this is more beautiful than the old Turian seppy arguments.

You humans get -pissed-

That being said, I don't see why people have such a problem with the Systems Alliance. You lot that weren't on Earth before were perfectly happy to have the SA do everything for you, but now that everything isn't perfectly ok OH ITS ALL THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT, NOT LIKE WE ALL ALMOST DIED AND EVERYTHING IS WRECKED TO SHIT OR ANYTHING.
Did you bother to read the thread? Like at all? Or did you just skim through so could go; WHINY COLONISTS ARE WHINY? If our sole export is being requisitioned by the government. And the government is not paying us for it. And we need money to rebuild our colony... Then YES the fact that our colony is still wrecked is the government's fault. The people who are taking the colony's sole source of income without paying for it. You retard.

I almost made a sarcastic reply to this, but I'm not going to.

Look, it's terrible that your people are suffering. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but we're doing the best we can. You say you should be paid for the iridium. Where's that money going to come from? Every credit is being poured into reconstruction; the SA is in astronomical debt with most of its planets in ruins, not to mention the weight of wounded personnel requiring attention. There is no money.

So yes, the Alliance is taking your iridium. But it's not a 'us vs you' or'Earth vs the colonies' issue. It's about helping as many people as we can with what little the Alliance has. It's not because they're Earthers and the SA is somehow more loyal to those people. It's about the hundred of thousands dying everyday due to a lack of shelter or food or uncontaminated water.

It's not that the Alliance doesn't give a fuck about you, it's that there are a lot of people who need help and something has to give. All that said, if things are as bad as you say, you should get in touch with the nearest Alliance officer and report your concerns. If they don't consider your concerns to your satisfaction, contact thir superior.

First Sergeant Natalie King, 2/4th Marines
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PlayingWithScience
Nat wrote:I almost made a sarcastic reply to this, but I'm not going to.

Look, it's terrible that your people are suffering. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but we're doing the best we can. You say you should be paid for the iridium. Where's that money going to come from? Every credit is being poured into reconstruction; the SA is in astronomical debt with most of its planets in ruins, not to mention the weight of wounded personnel requiring attention. There is no money.

So yes, the Alliance is taking your iridium. But it's not a 'us vs you' or'Earth vs the colonies' issue. It's about helping as many people as we can with what little the Alliance has. It's not because they're Earthers and the SA is somehow more loyal to those people. It's about the hundred of thousands dying everyday due to a lack of shelter or food or uncontaminated water.

It's not that the Alliance doesn't give a fuck about you, it's that there are a lot of people who need help and something has to give. All that said, if things are as bad as you say, you should get in touch with the nearest Alliance officer and report your concerns. If they don't consider your concerns to your satisfaction, contact thir superior.
I appreciate that you're not being an ass about this. Maybe the Alliance as a whole wants to help, hell if I know. All I know is that all of our complaints have only gone so far before they get stonewalled or ignored entirely. Maybe Hackett is a wonderful guy, he seems like it. But someone somewhere in his organization gives no fucks about us and whoever it is apparently has some control over what goes on over here. And whoever it is is getting away with it. So yeah it's a nice sentiment but either our complaints are being lost in the bureaucracy or someone is ignoring them entirely. Either way people are dying over here too.
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Nat
PlayingWithScience wrote:I appreciate that you're not being an ass about this. Maybe the Alliance as a whole wants to help, hell if I know. All I know is that all of our complaints have only gone so far before they get stonewalled or ignored entirely. Maybe Hackett is a wonderful guy, he seems like it. But someone somewhere in his organization gives no fucks about us and whoever it is apparently has some control over what goes on over here. And whoever it is is getting away with it. So yeah it's a nice sentiment but either our complaints are being lost in the bureaucracy or someone is ignoring them entirely. Either way people are dying over here too.

It's wrong that your people are dying. It's wrong that you're being stone-walled.

You have rights under the SA. I suggest reading up on them and contacting someone further up the food chain. The powers that be have an interest in your colony surviving; someone's sabotaging both you and the Alliance. Which means they need to be courtmartialled.

Try other officers. Bring your concerns to them and state that you've expressed them before but have been dismissed despite deaths on your colony. There are channels, like I've said, to avoid abuses of the chain of command. Hackett's a smart guy.

I'd try and help you out but I'm just an NCO and have no influence on such things.

First Sergeant Natalie King, 2/4th Marines

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