[Republics] Asari Cancel Fighter Deal

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Asari Cancel Fighter Deal

Galea T’Jusa – The Thessian Observer

PORT LAREMA - After a vote on the subject yesterday, the asari republic of Hyetiana has cancelled a planned deal for purchasing fifty new long-range fighters.

In 2185, Kendra Council (Thessia) was contracted for a replacement of the republic’s aging fleet of Skeff Type recon and fighter force. Twelve Rebekha II long range fighters had already been delivered in 2186, but the War interrupted further introduction.

Hyetiana faced extensive destruction during the Reaper attacks, and only four of the new Rebekhas, along with a small variety of older fighter spacecraft and capital ships, survived the hostilities. When Kendra Council announced that they could now deliver the remaining order, a vivid discussion rose asking if the money should be prioritized on rebuilding infrastructure and the research facilities that made the planet such a hub of asari R&D.

A vote overturned the Defense Matrirach’s suggestion to proceed with the deal, and effectively redirected the funds to civil reconstruction.

“I bow to the public vote and I can see the reason behind it”, sais Matriarch Marrina. ”We proposed several options; we also suggested to reduce the order, but the decision was made to cancel it completely under the ‘special circumstances’ bailout clause. Of course, the current state of defense is not as I would like it to be, but given the high serviceability rate of the material at hand, I can assure everybody that Hyetiana is capable of maintaining patrols and full control in our system.”

In a first reaction, Kendra Council accepted the vote and announced their will to enter negotiations for a new contract in the future. Kendra Stock closed with -7% yesterday.

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Beylerbey Bora
What a shame. Those planes really could have been used for some nice things, like delivering food to starving children or rescuing civilians from tsunamis. What a darn tragedy.
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The_​Sarcastic_​Salarian
I think you'd need something larger than "scouts and fighters" to pull off any reasonable delivery or evacuation.

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Torn
They would have been wiser to have been more circumspect regarding the state of their defensive capability. No doubt any enterprising pirate or raider with an attention span will note this Hyetania as potentially ripe for opportunity.

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Beylerbey Bora
Yes, well, I suppose that's probably correct, yes. Good point, good point.
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Taleeze Collector of Harborlights
Torn wrote: No doubt any enterprising pirate or raider with an attention span will note this Hyetania as potentially ripe for opportunity.

I'd like to see that. Hyetiana is in the middle of Silean Nebula. I haven't heard of excessive pirate activity in that region of space. Also, the Cyone fleet will be there in no time if need be.

I think this is actually a first, a vote against such an investment. But I can see the reason. The region is very secure and they still have enough forces to do their space policing in their own system.
The Republics all contribute to the common asari fleets so if any real big danger arises, these will stand ready anyway, for any Republic.

Of course it would be nice to have new and shiny fighters - but I have read they still suffer quite badly as the Reapers plowed them over pretty good so having older equipment that works seems good enough at this point. They most likely can't spare money for a prestige project. Or at least, the poeple don't want to.

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Torn
Considering Thessia, the very heart of asari space, had similar issues with such parasites only a few months ago, I'd wager it more likely than you think. Of course, the prize they sought then was eezo, a far more tempting commodity then some salvageable R&D toys. I concede your point.

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Taleeze Collector of Harborlights
You have a point there as well. It's the small stings that may be problematic. But then, Hyetiana is much smaller in sacle and easier to monitor. Thessia, as strange as this sounds, may have had more blind spots due to the scale of the settled areas.

But I also expect that the readiness of our military is better now than it was almost half a year ago. A small intrusion can be intercepted by the forces at hand. Anything large can be dealt with by a combined fleet.

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stardust
Hyetiana had it really bad. I understand they have other priorities.
A lot of effort is put into the reconstruction of the R&D sites.

Piracy indeed has been an issue but it has died down significantly with the rebuild of the combined fleet.

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Mr_​Sandman
Two things:

The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:I think you'd need something larger than "scouts and fighters" to pull off any reasonable delivery or evacuation.

Or do much else of note really, for all their hype long range fighters like the Rebekhas or Devas function best as either inter-system patrol craft or raiders. They're decidedly potent but they should not, under any circumstances, be shouldering the bulk of your defense; especially if you have a critical shortage of capital ships with which to support them.

But at the same time that's not to say that security and the like should be neglected altogether, because despite the decidedly high opinion of the Republic fleet,

TaleezeI'd like to see that. Hyetiana is in the middle of Silean Nebula. I haven't heard of excessive pirate activity in that region of space. Also, the Cyone fleet will be there in no time if need be.

I think this is actually a first, a vote against such an investment. But I can see the reason. The region is very secure and they still have enough forces to do their space policing in their own system.
The Republics all contribute to the common asari fleets so if any real big danger arises, these will stand ready anyway, for any Republic.

Of course it would be nice to have new and shiny fighters - but I have read they still suffer quite badly as the Reapers plowed them over pretty good so having older equipment that works seems good enough at this point. They most likely can't spare money for a prestige project. Or at least, the poeple don't want to.

this is essentially pre-war SA doctrine except worse. And do I really need to point out how said doctrine has already extensively demonstrated that it's Achilles Heel is precisely that; small scale, high intensity incursions?

Quite simply a "small variety of older fighter spacecraft and capital ships" isn't enough, particularly if you're sitting on something as valuable as salvageable high level Republics R&D.

The second point pretty much boils down to: good luck getting back in bed with Kendra for the foreseeable future. Or many other aerospace companies really.

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Taleeze Collector of Harborlights
Mr_Sandman wrote:Or do much else of note really, for all their hype long range fighters like the Rebekhas or Devas function best as either inter-system patrol craft or raiders. They're decidedly potent but they should not, under any circumstances, be shouldering the bulk of your defense; especially if you have a critical shortage of capital ships with which to support them.

Policing and patoling their own System is the only thing that is asked of them. A Republics defense force does not perform any offensive duties. Intercept the occasioanl unidentified ship. They will not oppose invading battle fleets (whose fleets would that be anyway?)

If the majority of the living space is still in rubbles, buying new fighters now is not a priority. They will get some in a year or two or whatever.


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Mr_​Sandman
Taleeze wrote: Policing and patoling their own System is the only thing that is asked of them.

And I'm sure they're doing a stellar job with their steadily aging designs.

A Republics defense force does not perform any offensive duties. Intercept the occasioanl unidentified ship. They will not oppose invading battle fleets (whose fleets would that be anyway?)

Uh-uh-uh.

If you're going to strawman my arguments please put some effort into it and at least pretend to actually address the things I said instead of wandering off on your own bizarre tangents.

The only person who said anything about the execution of offensive operations is you. I merely outlined the roles in which long range fighters function best.

The only person who said anything about "battle fleets" is you. I merely said "small scale, high intensity" incursions.

Here, since you're either a poor debater overall (or just an idiot, it's somewhat up in the air at this point) let me compile my actual arguments into a nice, easy to read format so it doesn't hurt your pretty little head.

1. Intracluster piracy and raiding are still things, particularly when the potential prize is lucrative enough as it is here.
2. Current doctrine makes Hyetiana vulnerable to such attacks.
3. As it stands the defenses in place are insufficient to cope with any sufficiently interested/dedicated pirate operations by themselves.
4. This should probably be remedied in the near future (preferably with the construction of actual capital ships versus simple fighters) instead of indefinitely tabled given that external threats still remain active.

Have at those.

Oh and 5. You may want to rethink this whole "we make no mistakes ever and our decisions are always the best and carry no consequences" thing you have going on. It really doesn't endear you to people.

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Taleeze Collector of Harborlights
The people of Hyetiana are right about their decission. That's all the tangent I need. If that's bizare for you - I can live with that. I'm just a dancer so what do I know.

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Mr_​Sandman
So basically "I'm right, I can't support it and won't actually discuss it but I'm completely right and we shouldn't talk about this anymore".

Lovely.

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Hammerhead
They could always, I don't know, hire a corporate fleet to help patrol their space. Probably cost less short-term than rebuilding a fleet.


Just sayin.

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The_​Sarcastic_​Salarian
Hammerhead wrote:They could always, I don't know, hire a corporate fleet to help patrol their space. Probably cost less short-term than rebuilding a fleet.


Just sayin.

This is the point where the corpie points out that it's even faster to say "we don't care" and proceed with business with usual.

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Forgive me if this comes off as rude, but wasn't this exactly the problem the Asari had before the war? I know the Asari militaries and Self Defense Forces have always been more about quality over quantity, but it seemed that a lot of them ended up outright ignoring their defenses right up until the Reapers were steamrolling every fleet thrown at them.

As a lot of unfortunate colonists learned during the war, you really can't depend entirely on the military to be there for you when the shit hits the fan across the whole galaxy. Especially when all the militaries are still trying to regain the operational capabilities they lost.

It is important to focus on rebuilding infrastructure, I get that, no military can operate without a sufficient economy behind it (unless you want to end up like all those idiot dictators in Earth history) but we can't go back to the prewar mentality that saw us get completely slaughtered while we waited for help.

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Mr_​Sandman
The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:
Hammerhead wrote:They could always, I don't know, hire a corporate fleet to help patrol their space. Probably cost less short-term than rebuilding a fleet.


Just sayin.

This is the point where the corpie points out that it's even faster to say "we don't care" and proceed with business with usual.

Pretty much yes.

The asari of Hyetiana appear to be perfectly fine with prioritizing civilian reconstruction to the detriment of defense. They don't think that they need to bulk up their military tech or refill their numbers.

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Taleeze Collector of Harborlights
Mr_Sandman wrote:So basically "I'm right, I can't support it and won't actually discuss it but I'm completely right and we shouldn't talk about this anymore".

Lovely.

I tried, but you just called me an idiot. So you can discuss this with your dick, for all I care.
You also don't have much experience with asari philosophies, right?





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Mr_​Sandman
Taleeze wrote:
Mr_Sandman wrote:So basically "I'm right, I can't support it and won't actually discuss it but I'm completely right and we shouldn't talk about this anymore".

Lovely.

I tried, but you just called me an idiot. So you can discuss this with your dick, for all I care.
You also don't have much experience with asari philosophies, right?

Unfortunately my genitalia have no opinion one way or the other on the subject otherwise, believe you me, I'd have given it a try by now.

But here, let's ignore your utter failure thus far to produce anything more than random and disjointed syllables that have as much connection to each other as they do to reality and take it from the top.

Enlighten me.

Address my points.

If you don't want me to doubt your intelligence display some.

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The_​Sarcastic_​Salarian
I could take a crack or twoat answering a few of these points, but frankly I'd like to see an asari answer this question. So please, tell us: exactly what part of asari philosophy magically negates Sandman's points?

If it helps, act like you're addressing me and not the corpie who needs facial reconstruction surgery.

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