Have you done your part?

Rights enforced by the same organization that is allegedly "stone-walling" colonists in need.
Until civil authority is reestablished, it might as well be rule by the grace of Hackett. There are no channels or rules that the alliance has to adhere if the don't want to because they have the guns we do not.
That's why I relocated everything I still possesed after the war to the Citadel and to other places that still have due process. I pondered to set fire to any real estate and property (i.e. two vacation homes I inherited from my late family and a bombed-out office building) that was still standing before the alliance took it away, but even I have standarts that say that I don't deny refugees their roof over their head, especially if I can afford to move elsewhere and they can't.

The colonist on the other hand can't sue the system for getting stuff they need, and SA can ignore them as long as they see fit.
Also, I don't buy your assertion that the alliance lacks money. If it needs money to pay for iridium, it can print it and if they can't, see the paragraph below
Even considering massive inflation as a result, I think it is more harmful to just reallocate rescources by force. Speaking of inflation, I doubt it will become a large one since the money wouldn't be created out of nothing but in this case mined iridium. It is less about inflating public debt away (like some nations in the 20th and early 21st century did) than about "oiling the machine".
Look at this way, if the alliance prevents economic growth on this scale by just taking things without something in return, it will take much longer for the whole alliance to recover. The colonies can't increase their future output by investing and rebuilding and the people on earth will suffer longer because of the limited rescources available to them.
But that is what you get when the military thinks it can run an economy by only thinking in terms of supply chains and ruthless calculus. Even the hierarchy knows that and have enlisted the help of the volus to run theirs.

As for the colonist, I suggest civil disobidience. Go on strike or try to limit the output, either the alliance will deploy a marine contigent to force you into mining (thus brining in equipment so the professional gun-wankers will have it warm in their barracks, they might even share) or you can try to not give the alliance all you have and sell enought of iridium to the freemarket so you can buy what need (see above). If the alliance would allow you to do that they wouldn't even need to bother sending you aide.
One way or the other you get what you want.

Well. Now that I've recovered from reading the raw idiocy in that post I suppose it's time to address your...I assume I would call them points?


Last time I checked military tribunals and court martials were a thing yes? So, you know, Alliance officers, even before the creations of SATAE, couldn't go raiding, raping, and pillaging just because the mood took them. Implying that they could and would now, even ignoring the fact that in the absence of laws simple self interest would dictate a similar course of action, is just lazy. Not only is it blatantly false, it practically screams that "I couldn't come up with an actual argument of my own so I'm just going to call SATAE scary bad guys". I mean really, it's not even creative. It's just a hamhanded attempt at a bit of pathos.


This really speaks for itself. As does the fact that you consider this a point of pride and something worth flaunting on an extranet forum.


Yes they can and no they can't respectively. The colonists can seek to obtain critical materials through the channels outlined by the Alliance officer on the previous page and even if SATAE was the holovid villain you seem to think it is necessity would force them to act otherwise. They need the colony and the people who inhabit it functional in order to obtain the maximum amount of iridium possible.


Ah, this. This is the part where everything started to go fuzzy. My apologies, when I read this my brain was physically trying to escape my skull to get away from the concentrated ignorance styled as experience.

Firstly, you cannot simply back a part of a monetary system (which is stupid in and of itself) with a resource that is going to be consumed. The whole point of a mineral standard is that, in theory, an individual could exchange their paper currency for said mineral. This hasn't been feasible for centuries, mainly because there are literally not enough minerals on earth or the colonies the finance the functions and projects of Terran governments. Furthermore, these iridium backed credits you are proposing would be utterly worthless because there'd be no iridium backing it. It's not sitting in a vault somewhere it's being used. What you're proposing would be even more damaging economically to these colonies and the economic recovery of the Alliance as a whole, because they'd be spending money that doesn't actually exist. And if I have to explain to you why that's bad you have no business giving anybody financial advice on anything.


It has been stated exhaustively in this thread but apparently it needs to be stated one more time: Earth is the heart of humanity's industrial power and home to the vast majority of it's population. Thus, long term colonial sustainability and future expansion is tied to the recovery of Earth. As Earth recovers so do the colonies, given that more supplies and equipment can be shipped out. This in turn leads to increased productivity on the colonies which means a faster rate of recovery for Earth. Not the other way around.


Oh dear God this thing again? The two aren't similar in any way except superficially. The component species and associated political, social, technological developments and very psychology are radically different and treating them like they are the same is a gross oversimplification to prove an incredibly stupid point. But this has been rather par for the course in that puddle of literary vomit you call a "thought".


Because this definitely wouldn't hurt economic recovery all around. Nope, not at all, not this.

So, in conclusion Mr. Schmidt: you are woefully uninformed about virtually everything you have an opinion on and are so monumentally thick that you distort gravity in your immediate vicinity. I pity anybody who takes you seriously.

And before you become drunk on your own self importance, no this reply isn't really meant for you, it's more to illustrate the point that anybody at odds with SATAE needs to do a whole hell of a lot better in their arguments than the absolutely terrible excuse for a reasoning being disguising himself as a lawyer.

I'm willing to bet a month's pay that this stone-walling is the work of one or two individuals. |f caught they will face consequences because there is a clear set of laws and guidelines Alliance military personnel live by. But sure keep going with the whole 'the Alliance is EVIL and OPPRESSIVE' shtick.

Riiight. The Alliance is swiming in credits! They're just too stupid/greedy to pay the colonists! It all makes sense now!

Let me point this out to you.

*During the war the Alliance ran up a truly astronomical debt to a variety of factions including the Vol Protectorate, the asari Republics, Terminus nations and practically anyone who would give us money. This was because of the whole war effort with an entire military cut off from the only significant industrial and population centre.

*Earth, the planet with the majority of the human race and hence the greatest industrial capability, a planet that supplied a significant portion of the Alliance's budget through funding from the nations that have signed the Alliance Charter. Add in the wrecked colonies and not only do you have a massive slash in the amount of money coming in, you have a large drain on what money you do have. Because of the whole needing to rebuild civilisation.

*There are thousands, if not millions of Alliance personnel and civilians requiring medical care. The Alliance has an obligation to its fallen and wounded and to its civilians and generally they attempt to fulfill it.

But it's okay, right? We can just print make more money! Because one colony has iridium to back it. And it's not like we need that money for you know, the hundreds of thousands of people dying. (Not that it's right that people are dying on Ur of exposure but if you really think we should be paying for resources we can acquire by law (it's a fucking emergency state, people) instead of stopping people from dying, you can go get fucked, mate).

Not to mention that simply making enough credits (printing? what is this, the 21st century?) to make up the trillions of credits the Alliance needs would send inflation so high we'd probably never recover. Have you actually looked at what happens when governments do that sort of thing?

Hint: depression.


And this is really starting to tick me off. You were all happy to have us around when it was us between the Reapers and you, us who were the ones throwing ourselves against them. Now the war is over we're back to being killers/professional gun-wankers/'effing jarheads'.

I would, personally, guess that it's less 'someone's corrupt' and more 'the system hasn't been fixed yet'. The unfortunate truth is that, though Earth is recovering, it isn't quite recovered enough to successfully deal with cases like Ur (Extrapedia's back up, so I'd check out Ur's entry there, though I am willing to provide a rundown. Free of charge, if you only want the basics). Ur is fundamentally a colony where the current approach is mildly broken. It works just fine for earth, and will keep enough Ur colonists alive so that Iridium production doesn't drop (likely helped by the robo miners), but the people there are going to be miserable without a fundamental change in alliance policy. While even temporarily (for, say, a year and a half) easing Ur's burden may result in a great quality of life increase on Ur, as well as the possibility of greater Iridium production (Or perhaps even beginning the Terraforming or Helium Harvesting operations that were originally planned for the system as a whole), it will create more problems than it solves. A) Resource flow to earth will decrease, which is obviously bad, and B) Other colonies will demand the same, which simply results in a cascade of clusterfucks and far more trouble than assisting a colony of two thousand is worth.

The issue isn't 'the alliance doesn't care about them', mind, the issue is 'Ur is broken and the Alliance has decided they don't have the spare resources to fix it, so they're letting the situation degrade, which pisses off the locals since the resources to fix it are on planet, but are being confiscated since millions upon millions on earth need them as well.'

It's a more serious version of literally every earth colony reconnected to the relays right now.

Ms Schmidt your arguments are extremely alarming. Thinking that the Alliance military has feudal rights over the people? Creating money out of nowhere? Assuming the Alliance has wealth of money hidden somewhere after the most devastating war ever? Suggesting to the colonists to voluntarily hinder their own assistance in the relief effort of the single worst warzone in human history aka the entire Earth?

What the hell are you on? I'm extremely concerned for your clients.

I... am not entirely certain what happened in this thread. What I do know is that I'm finding myself in agreement with Nat and Sandman. Which is mildly alarming. Mr. Schmidt (or whoever you are) please stay away from me. After reading that... post, I'm fairly certain I heard the death rattles of several hundred of my brain cells.

As it is now, the alliance is a military dictatorship, that is the sad truth. On earth I saw no future for me and my profession hence I moved to place where I still can work. I mean who needs lawyers if any decision can be overruled by the military commander in chief?
Wouldn't be the first time it happened throught history. And in this case it would be less of a problem because as I explained above. The money would be backed by the stuff the alliance would buy from it rather than just being fiat money. As I said, less about inflating debt more about just having an economy to begin with. And where an economy is, there can be growth and with growth the money would be covered. But in hindsight, my it isn't as good as an idea I think it is, since the alliance military has proven that it can't be trusted with making sound economic decisions. They would propably apply to many of a good thing and we would end up with run-away inflation anyway.
Yes, I do. It is the logical step to do if those colonist feel that they are treated unjust and have no means of due process to defend themselves. Gandhi did it to oppose the british rule and I think if the salt... I mean iridium deposits are large enough they are a bargening chip the alliance can't ignore them one way or the other.
My clients expect me to defend what is theirs (freedom, property, the right to evade taxes, pollute or mistreat their employees...) with all means I deem necessary and thus far I didn't disappoint. Justice is not my concern. I just do my job and I am good at it.

I am just stating the facts. The alliance is in the position that it is judge jury and executioner, for better or worse.
As long as the alliance is paying them I don't see the problem. I too would like to see people saved hence my suggestion of actually paying for the stuff the alliance takes so the people who are living in remote areas of space can help themselves. It would be one less problem the alliance has to attend to and the stuff it buys with money the money can help save people where it is needed. I don't know why you think this is wrong.

Your comparrision is lacking. For one, the great depression happened due to overproduction and phony credits, the german-specific problem was printing money without having the means to back it either thought economic growth or collateral since they were inflating their debt on purpose. Today, this is just not the case. I don't say the alliance should just print ad nauseam (and yes I say print because it is a nice figure of speech), I say it should print money (in moderation) to enable economic recovery. This is different from inflating debt.

That was my intention.

Oh my god shut up. No wonder everyone thinks separatists are morons, they have to listen to your drivel.

I will address two of your so called points. Firstly you cannot back credits with iridium. Why? Because people are going to want the item which is backing the credit because they will not trust this credit. So either you can give it to them, in which case, no iridium, which completely defeats the purpose of this exercise. Or you can keep the iridium. In which case the credit crashes faster than a brain dead vorcha at the controls of a sports aircar.

Secondly, civil disobedience, nice idea. Not. The status quo right now might fucking suck but at least we're slowly getting closer to having our colony rebuilt. If we do engage in civil disobedience that slows things down for everyone, us included. And the people who make things harder will be remembered. Colonies will be prioritized, and those who go on strike will likely find themselves at the bottom of the list. Not to mention the Alliance supplies our food, never piss off the people who supply you with food.

Oh and one more thing.
If this is an example so far of your ability to debate and argue points I have to wonder who hired you and for what purpose that they were not disappointed.

Not to mention that, in the event the colony in question manages to make such a nuisance of themself that the Alliance has no choice but to intervene (which is eminently stupid in the long run), odds are they aren't going to go "Oh alright, I guess you win". They'll just bring in people who don't mind having a roof over their heads and a regular food supply or a corporate entity who needs the work.

But it's not like there are plenty of those or anything.


Edit: And not going to address any of my points Karsten? Well now I'm hurt, so very very hurt.

A lawyer of all people should know that you can't just leave counterarguments unaddressed, it undermines your credibility, effectiveness, and the validity of your points. Which aren't things you can exactly spare here considering how precious little you had to begin with.

But, then again, your argument style seems to be more "I'm right because I say I am" than careful consideration of opposing views. So I don't know why I'm surprised, that you haven't actually addressed anything anyone's said but rather parroted back your original claims without a modicum of actual proof or logical reasoning aside from a few centuries old examples of superficially similar situations.

And, for the record, being proud of making someone moderately annoyed isn't a hallmark of a mature adult. It basically just makes you look like an obnoxious, petty, and juvenile child who knows he can't actually win so he's going to point to a negative reaction and call it a victory. So congratulations Karsten, you have succeeded in becoming somewhat irritating.

Good job.

I could reply to all that but you're just reiterating your points while ignoring ours.

The money does not exist. It can't be backed by the iridium because it's not enough to back enough credits to help in any significant way. Also it's going to be used which means it will no longer exist. Unless you keep the iridium to back the money to pay them which defeats the purpose entirely.

Actually go read Sandy's post again. Maybe uou'll actually read it this time.

As for this:


Well congrats, you're a whiny little bitch on the extranet.